A Rosenberg Supporter At The DNC Meetings.

Most of the posts that I have read here on the Eastern DNC meeting seemed to be coming from Howard Dean supporters, and since I'm not a Dean for DNCC supporter I hope that this can add a little something something to the conversation. I'm also going to limit this entry to those things which I did not see written about or emphasized in other places.

But, before I go into my experiences at, let me get three things out of the way. First, I am a big Simon Rosenberg supporter, and I have publicly endorsed him for chair of the DNC. Second, I am a little woozy from all the cold medicine I've got running through my veins right now, so pardon any rambling. Third, before I begin I want to emphasize the most disturbing moment of my day, provided by the Mercatus Institute's Tim Roemer.

Roemer's pitch to the DNC members was met with a large amount of hissing when he alluded to how the Democrats should embrace Anti-Women's-Safety (i.e. anti-choice) advocates, but this was not the most outrageous thing he said, not by far. The most disturbing moment came when Roemer began using the 9-11 card, adding another "I wish I was a republican" feather to his already plumed hat. First, Roemer touted his 9-11 commission experience, and his instrumental contributions to the commission getting formed in the first place. Roemer then moved on to the 9-11 widows, and especially the widow who gave Roemer her dead-husband's ring because she knew that Tim "was strong". But, as I started laughing harder and harder at the nerve of this asshole to try and use that painful day against us yet again, he gave the punchline, which had me literally falling out of my seat. It turns out that not only was the ring from a 9-11 victim, but it was found on his severed and rotting hand six days after the attack (Actually, I added the rotting part for effect, Roemer just mentioned that the hand was severed and found six days after the attack). I was waiting for the encore with either the ring turning out to be the one from the Lord of the Rings, or with the wife telling Roemer "I went to a séance the other day, and my husbad came back and told me that he too wants you to be Chair of the DNC," but unfortunately I had to settle with what he gave. Ah well, it was still a priceless performance.

OK, now back to our regularly scheduled blog, already in progress...

I started out the day at a coffee hour hosted by Rosenberg. I have to say that walking into the hotel, and then into the small room where Simon's supporters were gathering, I was getting a bit nervous and I felt really out of place. Everyone was wearing ties, which I never wear (not even on my wedding day), and looked like they had just stepped off of Wall Street. But, that feeling of being out of place dissipated pretty quickly once I entered into Simon's breakfast meeting.

The first thing that I noticed when I entered the room, which made me feel immediately more at ease, was the diversity of those who were attending, in terms of age, sex, race and class.  The second thing that put me at ease was Simon himself. The first thing Simon did when he came into the room was acknowledge the Tufts (where Simon graduated from) Campus Democrats, who had driven all night to support him. He was visibly excited that the kids had come (he even gave them a shout out during the DNC meeting itself), and he kept coming back to them to try and talk more before getting pulled in another direction by one of his staffers who were trying to make sure that he paid ample attention to the DNC members who had stopped by.
During one of his chats with the Tufts kids, I overheard Simon mention his blog support, and I introduced myself as one of those supporters. "Thank you so much" he told me "it really means a lot to me", in a way that seemed genuine and unforced. He then started to talk about Joshua Micah Marshall's endorsement the previous day and how much it meant to him that Marshall had given him the nod of approval, before going into Marshall's great work on behalf of saving social security, amongst other things. Of course, he got pulled away again as we talked about the importance of the Netroots (and as many around here like to say- the guy "gets it"), but his friendliness and his calm demeanor broke the ice for me and I spent the rest of the morning talking with the other folks who had gathered to show their support.

One of the most interesting conversations I had was with an older couple who were contributors to NDN about how DNC members get chosen. Long story short, nobody seems to know, you just have to be at the right meeting at the right time and have the right friends in the right places. We talked some more about the extremely opaque nature of the DNC, about the ability of the internet to attract new blood to the party and to politics (like me), about just how bad a candidate John Kerry was, and about the loser .  

At another point I overheard Rosenberg talking to one of his supporters about Kos' coining of the phrase "rosenbergiac", which Simon seemed to get a real kick out of.

After coffee I went and met up with the Driving Votes folks (YOU GUYS KICK SERIOUS ASS!!!), and I meandered around the room for a while watching the Daily Show correspondent interview/embarrass various people, including Al Sharpton and Elena from driving votes.

Pretty soon we all got in, and I have to say that unlike some other posters here I felt that the organizers of the event were EXTREMELY nice, helpful and considerate, and most of us got in without any huge problems and got seats in the balcony, with great views.

Anyway, this is already getting waaay too long, so let me just give my quick impressions of each candidate.

Martin Frost. Wow, I didn't know that people could talk that loud, is it a Texas thing? Is he just deaf? Other than that I thought the guy was pretty good. I know that he's been getting slammed for his pro-Bush commercials during the primary, but if he had won in a district with 65% Republicans do thing we'd still have reason to complain? I do wonder if Frost really gets the grass roots, as he and everyone else claimed that they did, but I definitely got the impression that the guy is a real Democrat, with mostly progressive values, the attack ads not-withstanding.

Wellington Web. I had never really heard of Web before the debate, but all I can say is that he came off looking like a great leader for the party, and he did seem to be more in touch with what grassroots meant than Frost.

Howard Dean. I don't think that I can say anything about Dean's speech that hasn't already been said, but once again I came away with a mild disbelief at his "rock-star" status to many activists.

Simon Rosenberg. This was the first time that I had ever seen Simon speak publicly, and frankly he seemed a little nervous at first. Other than that I thought that he presented his case perfectly, and he definitely shored up my support for him as the potential "Karl Rove/Ken Mehlman" of our party.  

Donny Fowler. "Don't you dare talk down on my daddy" (when the "Fowler amendments was brought up) was the most memorable of Fowler's moments to me (sorry Donnie, but really, this isn't high school and those weren't "your momma" jokes). Other than that I think that Fowler also "gets it", but he seemed a little inexperienced to be the chief strategist and fundraiser for the party. But, if he got the chair I wouldn't slit my wrists, the guy's got "spunk" and I'm sure he'd energetically work with the party and try to modernize it in many of the same ways advocated by  Dean and Rosenberg. Unlike...

Tim Roemer: Douchbag-extraordinaire. Nuff said.

David Leyland: He seemed nice enough, and definitely seemed like a progressive. But come-on, are you really going to keep touting your experience as Ohio state chair? Hey David, do you really think that Ohio is a great example of where the Democrats need to go? Really nice guy, I bet he finishes last.

The last thing that I want to say is, I got so much positive feedback from DNC members and their staff that I want to say THANK YOU! to you all. You don't know how many times I was asked "are you one of those `bloggers'", and how many smiles I got when I told them that I was. There was a definitely positive vibe towards the amount of attention and energy that has been brought to this process, and I hope that this is an encouraging sign for the future of the Democratic Party and for the candidates who really "get it" about the netroots, i.e. Dean and Rosenberg. Here's to hoping that those DNC members "get it" and choose one of those two as there leader. The future of our party depends on it!

Oh, and once again- THANK YOU to Driving Votes for getting us all in.

Poll
Is Tim Roemer...
Crazy?
Stupid?
A Douchbag?
A DINO?
All of the above?

Votes: 22
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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That was the best (none / 0)

Roemer sighting I have read.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 08:46:17 PM EST

Re: That was the best (none / 0)

Parker-
This is the kind of person that you should be aiming your flames at instead of Simon.
Unlike Rosenberg, this guy actually works for the right-wing think tank Marcatus.

From the Post-Tribune of Gary, Indiana (Apr 24, 2004).

Roemer is a key spokesman for the Mercatus Center's Capitol Hill Campus outreach and education program, which seeks to improve public policy outcome by teaching economics and policy analysis to congressional staff members.

We need to rid ourselves of the barely claoked right-wing ideologues of the party, not the highly-talented technocrats (and I mean that as a compliment) and strategists who will listen to the base and help us to take back our country.

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 09:01:03 PM EST
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Re: That was the best (none / 0)

See I was trying to be unbiased because you did not throw flames at Dean and I really like your writing.

But...Rosenberg is DLC period.

I don't care how you try to bottle him but he was one until a few weeks ago pouring money into campaigns of "Dems" who never even considered adhering to Democratic party principles.

Notice that the only African Americans endorsing Rosenberg are DLCers Davis, Clayburn (YEAH, you remember him endorsing Gephardt) and Ford. That alone is worth my rath. The DLC has picked apart the cohesion of the CBC by backing hired "Black" Democrats who look African Americans but preach to the DLC choir to the detriment of most African Amerians. That is why Obama asked to have his name stricken from their lists.

There is so much that is just wrong about Rosenberg from his ideologies pushed by NDN to his corporate clients.

Frankly, the IMO the only reason Rosenberg is getting so much chatter on the blogs is that bloggers see a hell of a lot of pork coming their way with Master Trippi leading the troops, other wise there is no reason for the silence on Rosenbergs attempts to push the party to the right and his staunch promotion of a war that even a blind two year old could see it had no merit.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 09:23:32 PM EST
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DLC period? (none / 0)

Frankly, the IMO the only reason Rosenberg is getting so much chatter on the blogs is that bloggers see a hell of a lot of pork coming their way with Master Trippi leading the troops, other wise there is no reason for the silence on Rosenbergs attempts to push the party to the right and his staunch promotion of a war that even a blind two year old could see it had no merit.

First of all, I don't believe that Rosenberg is trying to take the party to the right. He may have more centrist views as you (and they may be wrong, as you correctly point out a blind tow year old should have seen this coming) but I don't believe that he will impose his views onto the party. As I said, Rosenberg "gets it" about the power of these blogs and the great potential they have to energize the party, to make it more responsive to it's constituents, to hold the politicians more accountable, to deliver messages and fundraise through, and to bring people together to work for change. That doesn't mean that he won't have to balance the interests of lots of different people, after all the Democratic Party is by its very nature diverse. But that doesn't mean that people like you and me won't get a voice. Simon realizes that the blogs have great potential to do for the left what talk radio and direct mail did for the right, and I believe him when he says that he will make the blogs a central part of the party itself.

In regards to Rosenberg sending whole lotta pork the bloggers way, let me just say this: I'm an activist first, a blogger second. I got involved with politics this summer through Music for America, I went out and talked to kids and convinced a lot of people (IMHO) to vote. I got involved on the blog because I wanted my voice to be heard within what I saw as a movement of young people (though many of them worked/volunteered for other 527s), and you know what? My voice was heard, even if only by those hundreds of kids I got to talk to at the concerts I went to, and by those who visit the website, and that made me feel empowered. But none of that would have happened without someone willing to fund MfA's vision.
Anyway, I don't want Rosenberg to become the DNC chair because he will give more money to bloggers and 527s, I want him to become chair because what I saw when I was working this summer was a progressive movement in disarray. Every where I looked I saw duplication of efforts, wasted opportunities, absolutely no communications happening within or between any of the 527s or the party itself, and just a basic lack of order and accountability. I saw a progressive movement without a progressive organization, and this, IMHO, is the most urgent need of the Democrats. The cash is out there, and it's going to come into the blogs and activist groups one way or another. I also think that the blogs are going to have their sway no matter who gets elected (though I think that Roemer would just pull a Zel and tell us all to go to hell). But what I think is up in the air right now, what we really need, is someone who can make sure that the money is well spent, who can foster the state and local parties while holding them accountable to their members, and create a more efficient progressive engine for change.
When 2006 comes around, and we're fighting like hell to kick the Santorum out of Santorum, (hopefully with Anthony Zinni as our candidate), I want to make sure that my hard work isn't pissed away (Just to be clear, I'm not saying that working with MfA or any other 527 was a complete waste of time, I just think that we could have been a lot more effective if we had all been better organized, more responsive to what was happening "on the ground", and worked better together). We need a better organized party, and better organized 527s, and the person who I believe can institute the changes necessary to make this happen is Rosenberg.

And last, just because the guy used to work for the DLC doesn't make him a member. He split with them a while back, so why don't you stop beating on that dead horse?

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 11:24:02 PM EST
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Re: DLC period? (none / 0)

It is not a dead horse the NDN is still the funding branch of the DLC and only DLC canidates get money.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 02:06:45 AM EST
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Re: DLC period? (none / 0)

which is why Rosenberg did not give to Obama.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 02:07:07 AM EST
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Re: DLC period? (none / 0)

Again- proof please. You say this is "why" he wouldn't give money to Obama, do you have him on record saying that this is why he didn't support Obama? Or could it possibly be due to the fact that Obama was a sure thing, and that NDN money could be better spent in areas where it would make more difference(i.e. Colorodo), and on constituants that were otherwise ignored or taken for granted by the Dems (i.e. Hispanics)?
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 09:00:06 AM EST
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Re: DLC period? (none / 0)

Please provide proof for this claim.
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 08:51:57 AM EST
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Re: DLC period? (none / 0)

Good diary Alex. I agree with your take on Rosenberg's split from the DLC. I think it may be hurting him now as far as Fowler picking up support as the ABD candidate.

If you haven't noticed the poll on the front page, Dean is pulling about 80% and Rosenberg 12%. Rosenberg is probably a strong second choice for a strong majority as well.

by Gary Boatwright on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 02:32:03 AM EST
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Nice Job on the recap. (none / 0)

Glad to see your point of view.

I had to vote for "crazy" in your poll, cuz I know he's not stupic, and he holds his beliefs honestly, so not a douchebag.

Just crazy not to realize how petty and self-serving he sounds when he says shit like you and others have reported.

Clues for sale. 2 for 2.99, and  the bruises only last a week.

Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 11:17:04 PM EST

sorry (none / 0)

this and about the loser was supposed to be: and the loser consultants who keep losing but getting rehired.

Sorry...

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 11:27:53 PM EST

rock on Alex (none / 0)

So it looks like you are a mover and a shaker.
by charlesdog12 on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 11:31:51 PM EST

Re: rock on Alex (none / 0)

not so sure bout that Charlie.

GO EAGLES!!!

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 11:41:29 PM EST
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I stopped reading... (none / 0)

...after the part where you "embellished" regarding the 9/11 victim's husband's corpse. Bravo, Rush Limbaugh would be proud! Who cares what Roemer had to say -- every politician is a shallow lying asshole; it's part of the job -- but I'm sure the gesture meant something to the woman who experienced the loss.  Try on some sensitivity sometime...it'll do you some good and help separate you from politicians like Roemer.
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 07:18:36 AM EST

Re: I stopped reading... (none / 0)

Pa-lease! You've got to be kidding me...

How about everybody stop using 9-11 as a political tool? I was there, dude, and I don't need some right-wing wolf, dressed in Democratic clothes, using that fucked up day against the progressive side of the party.

It's already been used by Bush to start a war with Iraq and bully his way to a second term, and now I am the one who needs to be sensative.

So, tool, do you think that woman wanted to be used as a campaign tool by a two-faced tool?

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 08:57:26 AM EST
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Re: I stopped reading... (none / 0)

Ah, such fine logic! Allow me to answer a question with a question: Do you suppose any 9/11 surviving kin appreciates their dead loved ones referred to as bloated rotting corpses?

Bush didn't need to invoke 9/11 for votes when dudes like yourself helped drive them away from the democratic nominee. Give yourself a pat on the back for a second term of chimpy. I'm sure you helped contribute to that 3.5 mil margin.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 09:51:51 AM EST
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Re: I stopped reading... (none / 0)

You, and anyone else who wants to hold 9-11 against me can kiss my ass. I wasn't the one who brought up a 9-11 victim's six day old corpse, it was Roemer, so pleae, please, STFU.

And your sentiment about "people like me" scaring people away from the democratic party is hillarious coming from a supporter of carpetbagger-extraordinaire Hillary. I guess in your world bringing up the fact that Roemer used New York's pain as a political device is worse than me making fun of the fact that he did it.

And as far as "people like me" scaring others out of the part, I have to disagree. Let's see, I worked at getting out the youth vote in the Philaldelphia area. Hmmm. How'd we do there? (in the youth demographic, in turning out Philly, and in choosing the president).

When you're done with your silly moralizing nonsense, and you're ready to have a serious talk about what we need to do to change the party to actually win (instead of tirelessly drumming up 9-11) let me know.

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 10:43:34 AM EST
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um (none / 0)

Dont be an idiot.  Alex drove people to Bush?  Eh, I think the younguns at the concerts that he talked and talked to to get them signed up and registered, and then to the polls, might disagree with you.
Progressive Philadelphia Politics: Young Philly Politics
by DanielUA on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 09:44:08 PM EST
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